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# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 28 July, 2014

From TheJournal.ie The Callely Controversies: From Fianna Fáil favourite to five months in prison Profile

The Callely Controversies: From Fianna Fáil favourite to five months in prison

The former Fianna Fáil minister has been jailed for five months. But why has he proved such a controversial figure over the years?

# ivor-the-terrible - Thursday 12 January, 2012

From TheJournal.ie Callely win could land taxpayer with €500k legal bill Expenses

Callely win could land taxpayer with €500k legal bill

The Public Accounts Committee is told that Ivor Callely’s legal fees for his Supreme Court challenge could reach hundreds of thousands.

# ivor-the-terrible - Sunday 3 July, 2011

Levet the hometown hero at French Open

Parisian wins by one stroke on the final day at Le Golf National.

# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 30 May, 2011

From TheJournal.ie Seanad could sit more often than Dáil under new Leader’s plans Seanad Éireann

Seanad could sit more often than Dáil under new Leader’s plans

Maurice Cummins wants to ensure that the Seanad sits on Fridays where possible – a practice not yet followed by the Dáil.

# ivor-the-terrible - Thursday 24 March, 2011

From TheJournal.ie Ivor asked to leave Seanad after demanding time for personal statement Ivor The Terrible This post contains images

Ivor asked to leave Seanad after demanding time for personal statement

The final sitting of the Seanad is called to a halt after the controversial Callely seeks time to explain his expenses claims.

# ivor-the-terrible - Friday 28 January, 2011

From TheJournal.ie Take 5: Friday Take 5

Take 5: Friday

5 minutes, 5 stories ,5 o’clock.

From TheJournal.ie Ivor’s Seanad finale: “The truth shall set you free” Ivor The Terrible

Ivor’s Seanad finale: “The truth shall set you free”

The controversial Senator retires in the same way he lived: annoying pretty much everyone else in Seanad Éireann.

# ivor-the-terrible - Friday 14 January, 2011

From TheJournal.ie Take 5: Friday Take 5

Take 5: Friday

5 minutes, 5 stories, 5 o’clock.

From TheJournal.ie Ivor Callely wins High Court challenge to Seanad committee Ivor

Ivor Callely wins High Court challenge to Seanad committee

Senator suspended for 20 sitting days after Committee investigation into his expenses claims, thanks friends and supports for “tremendous support” while he was “under sustained attack”.

# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 6 December, 2010

From The Daily Edge Ahern, Cowen named Ireland’s top blaggers Blaggers

Ahern, Cowen named Ireland’s top blaggers

The former and current Taoisigh top a public poll of people or bodies known for blagging their way into riches.

# ivor-the-terrible - Sunday 5 December, 2010

From TheJournal.ie Ivor Callely has yet to repay €6,000 owed to Dept of Transport: report Ivor The Terrible

Ivor Callely has yet to repay €6,000 owed to Dept of Transport: report

Newspaper claims senator has not returned funds and says Noel Dempsey questioned why information regarding Callely’s expenses was brought to its attention.

# ivor-the-terrible - Wednesday 6 October, 2010

From TheJournal.ie Seanad lawyers tell Court it cannot hear Callely appeal Ivor The Terrible

Seanad lawyers tell Court it cannot hear Callely appeal

Lawyers for the Seanad committee that suspended Ivor Callely tell the High Court to butt out of Oireachtas business.

# ivor-the-terrible - Tuesday 7 September, 2010

From TheJournal.ie Callely challenge chalked in for October Ivor The Terrible

Callely challenge chalked in for October

High Court hearing won’t happen before Seanad gets back in session.

From TheJournal.ie Callely wins full High Court hearing over Seanad suspension Ivor

Callely wins full High Court hearing over Seanad suspension

Ivor will be given a full case in the High Court to challenge his suspension from the Seanad over his expenses claims.

IVOR CALLELY’S LAWYERS have told the High Court that their client “has not had a day’s peace” since being suspended from the Seanad for twenty working days by its committee on member’s interests. Asking the court to hear a challenge from the Senator against the committee, they said Ivor had been portrayed as “chancer”, a “rogue”, and as “throughly dispicable”.

From TheJournal.ie What is it that Ivor wants the court to do? Ivor The Terrible

What is it that Ivor wants the court to do?

Callely will today launch a High Court challenge into his Seanad suspension. What are his arguments likely to be?

# ivor-the-terrible - Sunday 5 September, 2010

From TheJournal.ie Callely tricked ministers into speaking at his Oireachtas fundraisers Ivor The Terrible

Callely tricked ministers into speaking at his Oireachtas fundraisers

Ivor charged up to €1,000 for two tickets to a fundraising lunch in Leinster House. The Oireachtas isn’t happy.

# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 30 August, 2010

From TheJournal.ie Callely trip for US elections off the cards Ivor Callely

Callely trip for US elections off the cards

Government chief whip rules out Callely’s nomination for travel.

From TheJournal.ie Callely could travel to US as election observer Ivor Callely

Callely could travel to US as election observer

Is Ivor planning to make use of his suspension time?

# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 23 August, 2010

IVOR CALLELY HAS been granted two weeks by the Seanad Select Committee on Members’ Interests to respond to the various allegations about his travel and telephone expenses claims.

The committee has also given him one month to explain to the Oireachtas authorities why he did not declare his interest in several properties on the Register of Members’ Interests.

Callely did not declare his Cork holiday home in any of his annual filings since 2007, nor did he mention many other properties he co-owns with his wife Jennifer.

He has also returned almost €3,000 paid as a result of mobile phone expenses forms relating to his time as a TD which bore the letterhead of a company that had gone out of business in 1994.

Yesterday’s Sunday Tribune showed, however, that further to claiming mileage expenses from his Cork address while being based in Clontarf, Callely had also been claiming the full travel allowance allowed to him when a junior minister – despite living just three miles from the Dáil.

Separately, the committee will hold a public meeting in four weeks’ time to question Senator Larry Butler, who claimed travel expenses from an address in Graiguenamanagh in Co Kilkenny despite being based in Foxrock for most of his time in the Seanad.

The committee has dropped complaints against Senators Ann Ormonde, who switched addresses to Waterford while her regular home in Donnybrook was being refurbished, and Rónán Mullen, who had relayed an anecdote about being advised to claim from a separate address.

SENATOR IVOR CALLELY may face yet another investigation by the Seanad committee, this time focusing on his failure to declare property ownership.

It would be the third probe examining the senator’s expenses, and is currently being considered by the Seanad Committee.

The investigation would focus on Callely’s failure to declare his interest in at least seven properties to Oireachtas authorities.

The Seanad committee will meet privately today to discuss Callely’s responses to the investigation so far, as well as considering expenses claims by other senators. Callely is reportedly seeking an extra two weeks to prepare before he presents his case.

The senator has been embroiled in a number of probes into his expenses this summer. To begin with, the Seanad committee investigated travel expense  claims Callely had made. The committee concluded that he had deliberately misrepresented his principle place of residence and he was suspended for 20 days without pay.

The spotlight focused on the senator once again when details of mobile phone expenses were revealed. Callely claimed about €2,900 for four different mobile phones and car kits in 2009, however the invoices Callely submitted were from a company that had been liquidised several years prior to the period he had claimed for.

Meanwhile, on Sunday, revelations concerning mileage claims surfaced when it emerged that Callely had claimed €87,000 in mileage expenses over a two year period, despite living under three miles from his office.

# ivor-the-terrible - Sunday 22 August, 2010

ONCE AGAIN, Senator Ivor Calley’s expenses claims are under the spotlight.

The Sunday Tribune reveals that Calley claimed €87,000 in mileage payments over a two year period. During the period in question, Callely lived in Dublin,  just under three miles from his office.

However, his mileage amounts to 5,000 miles a month (which also happens to be the maximum mileage allowance allowed).

The latest revelations come after the senator has already faced two separate allegations of illegitimate expense claims, relating to both his place of residence and also over mobile phone costs.

Callely faced a grilling from his peers in the Seanad last month over claims that his principle place of residence was in Cork, when it was in fact proved to be in Dublin. The Seanad concluded that Callely’s €80,000 in claimed expenses were unjustified. He was suspended without pay for 20 working days over the issue.

Seemingly before he could draw breath, further revelations disclosed that Callely had made  €3,000 worth of claims for mobile phone costs – from a company that had ceased to exist years before he filed his first invoice.

Callely claimed an eye-watering €123,221 in expenses over 26 months, according the Sunday Tribune.

# ivor-the-terrible - Friday 20 August, 2010

THE FOUR SENATORS subject to complaints made to the Seanad Committee on Members’ Interests – Ivor Callely, Larry Butler, Ann Ormonde and Rónán Mullen have submitted formal responses to the committee’s questions. Callely appears before the committee on Monday.

# ivor-the-terrible - Monday 9 August, 2010

THE TAOISEACH says he can’t force Ivor Callely out of his job – despite the fact he’s in the Seanad as a Taoiseach’s appointee. Why?

Well, it’s actually a rather simple reason. Article 18 of the Constitution of Ireland outlines the makeup of the Seanad, which (as it says) includes 49 elected members and 11 “appointed” ones.

Here’s two appropriate passages from subsections of Article 18:

3. The nominated members of Seanad Éireann shall be nominated, with their prior consent, by the Taoiseach who is appointed next after the re-assembly of Dáil Éireann following the dissolution thereof which occasions the nomination of the said members. [...]

8. A general election for Seanad Éireann shall take place not later than ninety days after a dissolution of Dáil Éireann, and the first meeting of Seanad Éireann after the general election shall take place on a day to be fixed by the President on the advice of the Taoiseach.

So, all simple so far. The Seanad is dissolved at the same time as the Dáil. The Dáil is elected, meets and appoints a Taoiseach. There’s then a Seanad election for 49 of the 60 seats, and the new Taoiseach then gets to hand-pick the other 11 people.

In 2007, Bertie Ahern was given his third term as Taoiseach, and thus the Manchester United fan got to hand-pick his starting 11. As is customary, he gave two seats to each of his coalition partners, the Greens and the Progressive Democrats.

Ahern appointed one independent – Sunday Independent columnist Eoghan Harris, who fought his case on the Late Late Show just before the general election – and six members of Fianna Fáil, including Callely.

Now let’s skip down to subsection 9:

9. Every member of Seanad Éireann shall, unless he dies, resigns, or becomes disqualified, continue to hold office until the day before the polling day of the general election for Seanad Éireann next held after his election or nomination.

This is the key point of contention – while most might think that the Taoiseach ought to be able to remove someone’s Seanad membership just as easily as they can give it, it’s not the case.

Take the people Ahern appointed – Senator Ciarán Cannon, who was appointed as one of the two Progressive Democrats and even went on to lead the party, joined Fine Gael when the PDs disbanded. Surely, if a Taoiseach could remove a member, he would have done so then.

So Article 18.9 guarantees that a Senator can’t be kicked out unless they’re “disqualified”, begging the question: how is someone disqualified? Well, that’s slightly more ill-defined. Says Article 18.2:

2. A person to be eligible for membership of Seanad Éireann must be eligible to become a member of Dáil Éireann.

Assuming the same criteria apply to ineligibility as they do to eligibility - a matter which hasn’t been clarified or proven in court - the following bar someone from membership of the Dáil, and thus (presumably) the Seanad:

  • Membership of the European Commission or being a judge, advocate general or registrar of the European Court of Justice
  • Membership of the Court of Auditors of the European Community
  • Membership of the Garda Síochana
  • Full-time membership of of the Defence Forces
  • Being a civil servant and not having explicit permission to run for the Dáil in your contract
  • Being of unsound mind
  • Being in prison for a term greater than 6 months
  • Being an undischarged bankrupt
  • Being the President, a member of the Seanad, the Comptroller and Auditor General or a Judge.

Therefore, realistically, the only way Ivor Callely can be stripped of his Seanad membership is if he is somehow given a prison term of longer than six months.

The only way to avoid this procedure in future would be to amend the constitution inserting a provision that allows a member be sacked – which would require a national referendum.

VERY SERIOUS allegations have been published regarding the mobile phone expenses of Senator Ivor Callely, causing his family and Senator Callely personally considerable distress.

He is also aware of the impact and concern of the general public and his colleagues in Leinster House.

Ivor Callely today stated that he submitted to the Houses of the Oireachtas in November 2007 the four receipts to cover the period of January 2002 to July 2006, totalling €1,907.64.

He received these receipts in good faith and submitted these receipts in good faith for vouching purposes in the belief that they were correct.

He had no reason to believe that the said receipts were not in order.

The circumstances under which receipts were issued are being investigated.

He does not know how these receipts were issued by a company that had ceased trading.

It is now clear that these claims should not have been made.

He regrets the difficulties that this has created, all of which will be fully dealt with in the course of the investigation, and he will be assisting with any enquiry concerning same.

He therefore withdraws these claims and refunded all monies to the Leinster House authorities in respect of the said invoices concerning the amount paid on mobile phone expenses (total €2,879.45).

Ivor Callely has also contacted his legal advisers today for the purpose of assisting the investigation and vindicating his position.

He has been advised not to make further comment pending the investigation.

# ivor-the-terrible - Thursday 5 August, 2010

IF IVOR CALLELY bows to public pressure and quit his seat in the Seanad, he would be comforted by a tax-free lump sum of €158,539, it has emerged.

Figures published today by The Irish Daily Star suggest that Callely would be entitled to three years of his Dáil pension up front, as well as three years of his Seanad pension and a termination lump sum of almost €11,000.

His annual Dáil pension – which he does not currently receive, as a sitting parliamentarian – totals €44,280 per annum because of his eighteen years in the lower house, while his Seanad pension for his three years there amounts to €4,921 a year.

This means that Callely would be given €132,840 in respect of his career as a TD, €14,763 for his time as a senator, and a termination lump sum – all tax tree – upon his departure from politics, totalling to €158,539 in an instant tax-free payoff.

What’s more, the controversial senator would earn up to €25,000 in an incremented termination payment over the nine months following his eventual departure.

Callely would also be entitled to an annual ministerial pension of €6,637 for the rest of his life, as well as his Dáil and Seanad pensions – meaning that separate to his tax-free lump sum, Callely would earn €55,838 in his various pensions every year.

All the figures added together mean that Ivor would make almost €240,000 in the twelve months after he quits – meaning that his inevitable ignominious departure from politics wouldn’t be without its benefits.

# ivor-the-terrible - Tuesday 3 August, 2010

FIANNA FÁIL has suspended senator Ivor Callely as more allegations surface regarding his expenses claims.

Following mounting pressure Fianna Fáil has suspended the senator, pending the outcome of an investigation into claims that he used forged documents to make expenses claims.

Callely claimed nearly €3,000 from the Oireachtas for the purchase of mobile phones and related services -  however, the company Callely claimed to have dealt with, ‘Business Communications Ltd’,  had stopped trading a year before his first submitted receipt was issued.

Last month, Callely was suspended from the Seanad for 20 days following a ruling by his peers decided that he had intentionally misrepresented his primary place of residence in order to claim travel expenses.

The Irish Times reports that Fianna Fáil had said that it had been considering “certain matters in the public domain concerning Senator Callely” and agreed that “this information establishes a possible prima facie case of conduct unbecoming a member of the Fianna Fáil organisation”.

THERE’S MUCH A DO ABOUT IVOR. Tweeting earlier Senator Paul Gogarty wrote “if disreputable senators can’t be forced to resign their seats, surely an investigating committee could suspend without pay continuously ;-)”

Gogarty later went on Liveline and told Joe Duffy that he had proposed that the Oireachtas again investigate the allegations that he submitted invoices amounting to €3,000 from a company that has not traded in over a decade. “I’ve written to the clerk of the seanad asking for a formal investigation” Deputy Gogarty said.

Calling Senator Callely to resign, Gogarty said: There may be, as the last speaker said, an explanation.
“If this was the UK, if a person feels they are innocent, sometimes they resign first in order to answer questions.”

Gogarty said that the Oireachtas does have the powers to suspend the senator again. “[Senators] can be suspended on an ongoing basis and surely they would resign without facing that kind of humiliation.

“You’re talking about a very brazen individual here, Trevor Sargent made a mistake and he stepped down immediately, Willie O’Dea stepped down after a couple of days.”

This morning, David Norris has also called for the claims in the Irish Mail on Sunday to be investigated as has Michael Crowe, the Fianna Fáil mayor of Galway.

SENATOR DAVID NORRIS has added his voice to calls for Ivor Callely to resign his Seanad seat.

“It’s impossible to see how Senator Callely could continue. When the seanad returns, we’ll be looking at situations where we’re cutting back, and it would be completely inappropriate for someone who is receiving €80,000 in travel expenses,” Norris told Morning Ireland.

“It would be inappropriate, rubbing it in the noses of the Irish people,” he commented, adding: ”This is a tragedy brought upon himself, by Ivor Callely.”

The senator was responding to claims made in the Irish Mail on Sunday that Callely had submitted expenses to the Oireachtas from a company that went bankrupt over a decade ago.

The Mayor of Galway, Fianna Fáil’s Michael Crowe said Callely’s actions were “pure gombeenism and bringing humiliation to Irish politics”.

The comments follow Fianna Fáil’s Mary O’Rourke, John McGuinness and the Green’s Senator Dan Boyle who, over the weekend said Senator Callely had questions to answer.

Brian Cowen has yet to comment on the matter.

# ivor-the-terrible - Sunday 1 August, 2010

IGNOMINIOUS SENATOR Ivor Callely claimed almost €3,000 in expenses for mobile phones based on four invoices that had turned out to be forgeries, it’s reported today.

The Mail on Sunday says Callely submitted expenses claims for four mobile phones in five years, from a company named Business Communications Ltd.

The paper says it has established that the company went bust over a decade ago, however, and that a former director has told them Callely was not a customer of theirs.

Callely – who is currently serving a 20-day suspension from the Seanad after being found to have inappropriately claimed travel expenses for travelling to Leinster House from an address in Cork.

Reporting the new developments, the Mail says that Callely submitted expenses in November 2007 – shortly after his appointment to the Seanad – for almost €3,000 in mobile phone expenses.

Under expenses allowances for TDs – a job held by Callely until he was defeated in the 2007 general election – TDs are allowed to claim a maximum of €750 for buying mobile phones every eighteen months.

Callely presented four receipts for phone purchases, all purporting to be issued by ‘Business Communications Ltd’, which is dissolved – and which was liquidated in 2001, before the first receipt issued in January 2002.

The invoices are so out of date that their letterhead carries a six-digit 01 number – despite numbers in the Dublin area code being extended to 7 digits in 1992.

All four of the receipts carry different signatures and all four give the amount claimed as being in ‘pounds’, despite the euro being introduced before the first receipt was dated.

As a Minister of State between 2002 and 2005, Callely would have had mobile phones provided free of charge anyway: the paper even carries details of the phones provided to him by his various departments.

# ivor-the-terrible - Wednesday 21 July, 2010

FIANNA FÁIL TD and minister of state Dara Calleary has called on Senator Ivor Callely to be kicked out of the party. Callely was suspended for abuse of Oireachtas expenses last week. Calleary made the remarks at the MacGill Summer School in Donegal. Last week, Brian Cowen said Callely should consider his position.

# ivor-the-terrible - Friday 16 July, 2010

BRIAN COWEN has admitted he can’t sack Ivor Callely from the Seanad – but has appealed to the troubled Senator to consider his position.

Commenting on the Seanad’s decision to suspend Callely for twenty sitting days without pay, the Taoiseach said he noted Callely’s on-the-record assurance that he would repay any expenses to which he wasn’t entitled.

He also said Callely must comply with the recommendations of the Seanad’s Select Committee on Member’s Interests and obligingly serve out his 20-day suspension from the Seanad.

The suspension means Callely stands to lose up to €10,000 in wages and expenses.

The committee’s investigations followed public complaints that Callely had been claiming travel expenses from an address in Cork, despite maintaining a constituency office and public profile in Clontarf.

Callely insisted he was primarily resident at the house in Cork, despite admitting he had been trying to sell it since 2004 and remaining on the electoral register in Clontarf.

The senator has strongly denied the claims and says he will “consider the options available” to clear his name.

Callely resigned his membership of the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party last month, after the party’s chief whip proposed to remove it from him.

# ivor-the-terrible - Thursday 15 July, 2010

UPDATE: 16.25

IVOR CALLELY has rejected the Oireactas report which led to his suspension in a row over expenses.

“I would like to have the matter reviewed fairly in a non-partisan way,” he said last night. The Senator refused to comment “at this stage” as to whether this meant taking legal proceedings or not.

“I strenuously reject the findings,” he said.“I will now have to consider the options available.”

This morning however Senator Eugene Regan of Fine Gael is calling on the gardaí to investigate Ivor Callely and his expenses.

Regan said the Oireachtas had gone as far as it could go in suspending Senator Callely for 20 sitting days (effectively seven weeks) without pay. Regan said if it was anyone else, they would face the full extent of the law and Senator Callely should be no different.

Speaking on Morning Ireland, Regan however, said he did not wish to prejudice any investigation. Independent Senator Ronan Mullen said he did not believe there was anything the gardaí could do on the matter.

Callely has not yet commented on whether he would be returning any of the €81,000 he claimed in expenses.

# ivor-the-terrible - Wednesday 14 July, 2010

SENATOR IVOR CALLELY is to be suspended without pay for 20 working days following a decision by the Seanad Members’ Interests Committee.

The Committee had been investigating expenses claims by Callely which amounted to €80,000.

Callely misrepresented the location of his principle residence, RTÉ reports.

The senator works in Dublin but also has a home in Cork. He said the expenses he claimed were justified because his Cork home was his principle residence.

However, the Committee questioned why Callely did not register his Dublin home as his principal residence, as his family lived there and he worked in the city.

In his second attendance with the Committe, Callely also revealed that despite claiming that the Cork home was his principal residence, he did not actually own it.

Meanwhile, documents show that the family home in Clontarf, Co Dublin, is the joint ownership of him and his wife.

The Seanad Members’ Interests Committee recommended that the senator be suspended without pay for 20 days – the harshest ruling that the Seanad is able to give.

Given that a recess will be included during the time of his suspension , Callely will be out of work for about seven weeks in total.

ARE YOU A beleaguered politician looking for a country getaway as part of a plot to claim as much expenses as possible? If so, you’re in luck – we’ve got the perfect place for you.

Senator Ivor Callely told an Oireachtas committee yesterday that he was living in his holiday home in Cork – despite having put the home up for sale years ago, possibly as early as 2004.

With an asking price of €650,000, the house ought to be a pretty swanky pad.

As it turns out, it is.

The home – being sold by Henry O’Leary auctioneers of Clonakilty, Co Cork – is a luxurious 3,000 square foot mansion just off the Atlantic coast. The lavishly furnished pad features a selection of lounge areas…

…including a walled outdoor patio – a perfectly secluded sun trap for those looking to get away from the pressures of a high-flying job in Leinster House. Indeed, there are enough lounge areas for Callely to have been able to host a small parliamentary delegation, should he ever have wanted to bring some of his colleagues home.

Curiously though, for a married man with three children, the home only has two bedrooms (though it does feature three ‘store rooms’. We suppose the one shown below features one bed for Ivor and another for his novelty-sized expenses cheques.

Though the house would have easily fetched over €1m during the height of the property bubble, prospective buyers will still need to claim some hefty expenses to scrape together the €650,000 minimum bidding price.

Nonetheless, anyone who’d like to can book a viewing of the gaff by contacting the estate agents at 023 8835959.

# ivor-the-terrible - Tuesday 13 July, 2010

SENATOR IVOR CALLELY has sought “the serenity to accept the things I cannot change” (a quote he misattributed to  St Francis of Assisi) at his Seanad Committee hearing and was “annoyed” at being called back to take Committee questions having “done nothing wrong”.

SENATOR IVOR CALLELY told the Seanad committee meeting hearing he put his Cork home up for sale “in the early 2000s” and at the very least has it for sale for FIVE years.

The revelation comes despite the fact that Callely relocated to the luxury pad in Kilcrohane, outside Bantry, when he lost his Dáil seat at the 2007 general election, and has lived there for the majority of time since.

Senator Alex White asked Callely to explain why he claimed overnight accommodation expenses for a house he owned, and why he presented conflicting messages as to whether his family live in Cork or Dublin.

Earlier, he launched a bizarre tirade on the other Senators who sit on the committee investigating complaints aganist his expenses claims.

Responding to an opening question from independent Senator Joe O’Toole about the fact that Callely’s Cork home is currently on the property market, Callely questioned O’Toole’s independent stance at a senator.

Callely made repeated reference to O’Toole’s “web” on which he proclaims himself an independent senator, suggesting that his voting record would suggest him to be more of an anti-Fianna Fáil senator.

The irony, evidently, of Callely’s own “web” continuing to state that he lives in Dublin North-Central was lost on him.

The meeting continues and can be viewed online.