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Frawley and Crowley in South Africa in July. Dan Sheridan/INPHO

Frawley and Crowley in the central roles on big stage at Croker

The top two out-halves in Andy Farrell’s Ireland pecking order start opposite each other.

FOR JUST THE 13th time in his Leinster career, Ciarán Frawley starts at out-half today.

He’s always seen himself as a number 10 and wanted to play there.

But just two months before his 27th birthday, the Skerries man is still in the position of building experience as an out-half, learning how to lead a team from the key tactical and decision-making position.

Even last weekend against Benetton, when Frawley was handed the number 10 shirt, there was the frustration of having to shift into midfield when an injury to wing Jimmy O’Brien meant a backline reshuffle as Ross Byrne came on at out-half.

There’s the potential for something similar today against Munster  [KO 5.45pm, RTÉ/Premier Sports], too given that Leinster have two out-halves on the bench in Byrne and his younger brother, Harry. Frawley will be hoping for as close to 80 minutes at out-half as possible.

Opposite Frawley today will be Jack Crowley, nearly three years his junior but a more experienced front-line out-half. Crowley had his own frustrations in getting going as a starting out-half but today will be his 32nd in the number 10 shirt for Munster, while he has started 10 Tests for Ireland there whereas Frawley has yet to start a game at out-half for Ireland.

Crowley would say himself that he’s still got lots to learn, having only taken over as Ireland’s first choice this year, but he is the incumbent starter under Andy Farrell.

Frawley was the most recent man to steer the ship for Ireland from out-half, delivering two superb long-range drop goals to guide them to their second-ever win over the Springboks on South African soil in July, so he came into this season with obvious momentum.

Leinster have signalled that they’re open-minded about the out-half pecking order this season despite having backed Ross Byrne as the clear first choice in 2023/24. 

ciaran-frawley Frawley makes his 13th start at out-half for Leinster. Tom Maher / INPHO Tom Maher / INPHO / INPHO

21-year-old Sam Prendergast is also right in the mix and impressed on the Emerging Ireland tour, so it promises to be a fantastic battle.

In that sense, today at Croke Park is clearly an opportunity for Frawley to make a big statement. It might be a regular-season game but with 82,300 fans bringing noise and pressure, this is an elevated occasion. 

Frawley had made a strong start last weekend before shifting to inside centre. He found a superb touch in the Benetton 22 after a turnover in midfield, he looked confident in calling the shots, he put his 6ft 3ins, 100kg frame to good use in a physical sense, and he started and finished a stunning Leinster try.

That score involved Frawley playing a clever delayed pass to free Garry Ringrose from inside his own 22 before the out-half followed up to seal the deal. Frawley received a brilliant pass from Jamison Gibson-Park and instantly switched the ball into his right hand in order to free his left for a powerful fend on Tommaso Menoncello. All in all, it was a fine demonstration of the skill and athleticism Frawley brings to out-half.

Given how little he has been a starting out-half, the biggest challenge for him will be calling the plays and making big tactical decisions for his team. The out-half remains the driver of most sides and they need to understand everyone’s roles as well as their own. They need to lead the week’s preparation, taking vocal leadership, and serve almost as an extra coach. The game plan revolves around them. The quality of an out-half’s work in this regard is impossible to assess from the outside, but it’s crucial. Frawley has always wanted this burden and now he gets the chance to show it rests easily.

Crowley has quickly got used to calling the shots. Like Frawley, he has played at inside centre and fullback for his province but took over as the main man at out-half towards the end of Graham Rowntree’s first season in charge and hasn’t looked back.

Crowley had already made his Ireland debut at that stage, an impressive Emerging Ireland tour accelerating his progress under Farrell, and he was in prime position to take over at out-half upon Johnny Sexton’s retirement after the 2023 World Cup.

Crowley did an excellent job guiding Ireland to their Six Nations title this year and it’s worth remembering that he also played a major role in Ireland beating the Springboks in July. The Munster man made a few errors in the first Test but was having a fine game in the second before Farrell sent Frawley into the fray.

jack-crowley Crowley took over as Munster's first choice in 2023. James Crombie / INPHO James Crombie / INPHO / INPHO

Every coach wants their starters to feel pressure for their place and if Frawley can continue where he left off, that’s more likely to be the case for Crowley.

But at the same time, it’s hard to know if this is always the best thing for an out-half. Sometimes they need to know that they really are the number one in order to feel comfortable enough to take full ownership of the team, to be the key voice in the room at all times.

Many out-halves, including Sexton, say it’s difficult to lead the team if you’re not sure the coach sees you as the top dog. This is interesting in both a Leinster and Ireland context.

Crowley knows he is king in Munster and it suits him at this stage of his development, as he continues to develop his tactical understanding and decision-making. Leinster’s open-mindedness about their out-half slot seems smart in one way but a player like Frawley would love to get the sense that he’s being fully backed to drive the first-choice team on for the rest of the campaign. The same applies to Crowley and Ireland.

But really that second point about pressure coming onto Crowley in the Ireland set-up only applies if Frawley makes the first point null and void by delivering dominant performances at out-half for Leinster.

Prendergast and the Byrnes will have a thing or two to say about the matter but Frawley is the one who gets the big shot today. Meanwhile, Crowley has a chance to underline his status as the number one Irish out-half four weeks out from the All Blacks clash.

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    Mute Diarmuid Concannon
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:02 PM

    That’s quite a good draw. Maybe the new guy is a lucky manager.

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    Mute Shanie
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:12 PM

    @Diarmuid Concannon: Agree good chance getting to a world cup

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    Mute Michael Kennedy
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:02 PM

    Not terrible, Hungary are no worldbeaters, could sneak 2nd?

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    Mute Conor Lynott
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:27 PM

    @Michael Kennedy: They’ve won games at several major tournaments. Better than us by a long way.

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    Mute Kevin Dillon
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:51 PM

    @Conor Lynott: when? They haven’t been to a world cup since 1986. They won one game at euro 2024 against Scotland scoring in the 100th minute. We also beat them in the summer. So saying they are better than us by a long way is nonsense.

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    Mute Ultán Corcoran
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    Dec 13th 2024, 1:47 PM

    @Kevin Dillon: I just had a look at Hungary’s home form and it’s pretty immaculate. Only 2 losses (Italy & Serbia) in their last 16 games on home soil, including 2 draws with Germany, another with Netherlands, and wins over England and Turkey to name a few. You’re right, they’re no world cup regulars but I think a lot of people are overlooking their ability. We beat them in a friendly and fortunately too as Parrott nearly stuffed a one-on-one.

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    Mute Michael Kennedy
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    Dec 13th 2024, 4:02 PM

    @Conor Lynott: all I said is they are no world beaters, which they certainly aren’t, if we’re organised and can improve under the new manager we could, I feel, sneak 2nd which would be marvellous.

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    Mute Michael Carroll
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:15 PM

    No matter what group we drew it was always going to be tough. Keep the faith.

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    Mute Ultán Corcoran
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:04 PM

    Not a great draw at all. Naturally the Pot 1 teams will be a very big ask, but Hungary are a competent side with a decent home record. Armenia is a tough place to go too as we found out a few years ago they’ll make it a battle. I think it would take an awful lot from our team to get the runners-up spot.

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    Mute Michael Corkery
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:05 PM

    @Ultán Corcoran: what’s the format? Top – qualification direct, runner up – playoff?

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    Mute Me O'Sullivan
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:13 PM

    @Michael Corkery: yes exactly

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    Mute Ray Ridge
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:16 PM

    @Ultán Corcoran: Agree. Armenia is one of the better pot 4 teams. Hungary is no pushover either. Probably Portugal also. Not great. Could be worse also.

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    Mute Kevin Bury
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:16 PM

    @Ultán Corcoran: obviously we are 3rd seeds….. could have been better and could have been worst

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    Mute Ultán Corcoran
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:19 PM

    @Michael Corkery: I’d usually be pretty glass half full but I think that’s a tricky draw in truth. As far as I know, it’s direct qualification to the 2026WC if you finish first. Then the 12 group runners-up go into a play-off the 4 best ranked Nations League group winners in 24-25. Presumably 4 x 4 mini qualifiers with direct knockout (semi-final winner vs semi-final winner).

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    Mute Ultán Corcoran
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:29 PM

    @Ray Ridge: Yeah, Kazakhstan and Armenia were the two I wanted to avoid in that Pot. Yerevan is a tough place to go, especially if we end up playing them in warm conditions. They always have a shock in them. As for Hungary, the bulk of their team play at decent levels across England, Germany, Turkey and so on. The Puskas Arena is an equally intimidating atmosphere too.

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    Mute Shanie
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:12 PM

    @Ultán Corcoran: Very.good draw could of being far worse

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    Mute Lesidees
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:13 PM

    Could be a lot worse

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    Mute Le Merchelant
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:34 PM

    We have the players to win this group. It’s do we have the confidence to actually believe that we can. THATS the issue. Anyone who thinks we don’t have players who can play football at a high level isn’t being honest. We have them and they have to man up and stop thinking we are a weak side – I’m tired of that. It gets into their heads and then during the game they are probably subconsciously thinking this and it puts extra pressure on us. When it’s so unnecessary. They all have showed us at different times that they are well able to compete against big teams when their backs are up against the wall. Well… lads.. now is the time to make history and push yourself into being seen as heroes for the rest of your lives.

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    Mute Daire Cathal Greene
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:47 PM

    @Le Merchelant: not many new players since they got roasted by Portugual 6 months ago.

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    Mute Shanie
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:13 PM

    Only 6 games to qualify for a world cup wow all the 3 teams we play are winable

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    Mute Ollie Fitzpatrick
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    Dec 13th 2024, 3:43 PM

    Again another plum draw for the English!! How does it happen for them all the time??

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    Mute Simon Dwyer
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    Dec 13th 2024, 12:16 PM

    Need to sort out the team and get confidence back

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    Mute Tezmond McVicar
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    Dec 13th 2024, 1:29 PM

    @Simon Dwyer: need to start kicking teams off the park again!

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    Mute Pat Coady
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    Dec 13th 2024, 1:53 PM

    Neither team will be trying too hard in that France v Croatia Nations League playoff. The loser gets a much easier group.

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    Mute Michael Carroll
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    Dec 13th 2024, 5:16 PM

    @ Daire Cathal Greene. Thats the spirit Daire.

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    Mute Leighton Cullen
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    Dec 13th 2024, 4:19 PM

    If we win all our home games or stay unbeaten and beat the minnows away it’s potentially 10 points which will be good. Maybe we might get a few more dual players to declare for us.

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    Mute Daire Cathal Greene
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    Dec 13th 2024, 2:51 PM

    No chance of qualifying no matter who we got. At least with the four team group we don’t have two waste of time games against Pot 5 sides, could have better friendlies in June. At least Ireland are still far ahead of said teams.

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